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Vaccination Refuseniks

Shortly I must dash off to meet the fabulous [personal profile] asakiyume at the world’s most fabulous corn maze, so I am scribbling in haste.

When I was out tromping yesterday, I got a better view of how this weird, weird autumn is progressing:



These trees are on the west bank of the Hudson, and you can see clearly that anywhere between 20% and one-third of them are completely bare. The leaves just… dropped off. They never changed color. Very weird, although I suppose the phenomenon would have to sustain for a few yesrs in a row in order to be statistically significant.

What else?

I spent a large chunk of yesterday on the phone with Ichabod who was driving his new-to-him wheels up from Tustin to Ukiah.

People need to be kept amused and diverted on long car rides.

We talked a lot about “vaccine hesitancy.”

I’m more tolerant than most of people who for one reason or another don’t want to get vaccinated.

I mean, not to the assholes who have chosen to turn a public health crisis into a holy war between the Forces of Individual Agency vs. The Dark Armies of Collective Domination.

But to the refuseniks with healthcare backgrounds.

There are a fair number of those, and you really can’t dismiss them all as “ignorant.”

I got into a debate a few weeks back with an aquaintance who worked in the pharmacology industry for many years. The debate was mannerly; we are both grownups.

Her objection to vaccination was that natural immunity is more effective and that vaccine-bolstered immunity will only lead to more and more domination by unscrupulous Big Pharma companies.

“Of course, we should vaccinate our most vulnerable!” she said at one point.

I frowned. “But if you’re talking about vaccinating our most vulnerable, you’re talking about 70 percent of the population,” I pointed out, “since ‘most vulnerable’ includes people over 65 and people with significant co-morbidities. The most significant co-morbidity for COVID is obesity. Something like 48% of the U.S. population is obese.”

To that, she had no answer.

I labored more on the current Remunerative Project, which is very difficult to write on account of there’s no data for me to crunch.

And generally remained in an upbeat, happy mood because it was a sunny day.

This, of course, is the classic Seasonal Affective Disorder presentation. Crossposted from Dreamwidth.
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Have you ever been in the maze at Tanglewood? (I have friends who live in East Nassau, near Albany, and they took me there last time I visited.) Of course I have no idea where you are, really, but it might be worth a trip (AND it's FREE!)
Haven't been to the Tanglewood corn maze. 😊
just a maze. How was your trip to the corn maze today?

mallorys_camera

1 week ago

halfmoon_mollie

1 week ago

Also - please tell me about the foldable bike your son gave you, I am interested maybe.
Exerpeutic Folding Upright Bike.
thank you.
I bought the same bike and love it!
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First, my disclaimer:
I am NOT arguing with your friend through you as proxy, or asking you to second-guess her response. I’m just musing, and observing the weirdness of this statement:


“Her objection to vaccination was that natural immunity is more effective and that vaccine-bolstered immunity will only lead to more and more domination by unscrupulous Big Pharma companies.”

Like, how did that work out for smallpox? Polio? Malaria? What does she even mean, “natural immunity is more effective”? I wonder what “natural” immunity she’s thinking of.
I heard an immunologist say that the problem with the idea of “herd immunity” is that people are using that as if that’s an alternative to vaccination, when in truth, herd immunity has *never* been reached in a population without vaccination. Vaccines are the exact tool that helps make this happen.

I thought it was a really interesting statement, and am surprised I don’t see that pointed out more often.
Disclaimer gratefully acknowledged. 😊

She explained “natural immunity is more effective” actually, but I didn't know enough microbiology to follow her explanation.

I have a feeling there would have been just as big a fuss over the polio vaccination had the Internet been around in the 1800s.

Smallpox is an interesting case because they actually were innoculating people (after a fashion) long before Edward Jenner did his first cowpox innoculation experiments. I expect it was an easier sell because you can see the effects of smallpox—the horribly disfiguring pox—in a way that you can't see COVID. I expect that made a huge psychological difference.
“I have a feeling there would have been just as big a fuss over the polio vaccination had the Internet been around in the 1800s.”

LOL—true enough. And smallpox too. “Variolation is a conspiracy of Ye Grande Apothecary, and those who doth give in to it are sheeple, sayest the Reddit thread.”

mallorys_camera

1 week ago

These anti-corporate-capitalist arguments against vaccination are oddly specific.

I know, right? If she believes Big Pharma is so evil, why did she spend her life working for it?

mallorys_camera

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